and reminding everyone how desperately out of touch ryan and romney are. joining us now, the nation's largest public employee union and jack bernstein, msnbc contributor and former chief economist for vice president joe biden. thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you, rev. >> good evening, al. >> i want both of you to weigh in on this. lee, you're in columbus, ohio. is it your feeling that it will resonate with voters in that state? >> i've been to cincinnati and toledo. i'm in columbus today. not only with members but people across the community, across the spectrum, they are excited about this election. they watched that debate last night. they watched joe biden clean the clock of the supposed economic intellectual guru of the party. cleaned his clock. and they talk about the real issues at impact, whether it's social security. it's clear now that republicans want to privatize social security. they talked about medicare. they want to make medicare into a coupon program. that's what paul ryan and mitt romney are talking about. our folks are ener